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Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance Debate Tournament Sign-ups
Hinagiku Katsura
post May 3 2010, 10:27 PM
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Rules

1. You have three days to post or you forfeit. You may request extensions with valid reasons.

2. Each debater has three posts. The two posts in the middle of the opener and closer are typically counted for more.

3. The first person listed in a thread title posts first.

4. The winner of the debate will be the first one to receive two votes from those accepted as judges.

5. Titania, Ike, and Reyson are banned.

6. Arguments based on recruitment are banned, such as saying a character being hard to recruit is a negative, or recruiting some character makes them get credit for the recruited character's usefulness.


Objective: Prove your unit is better at completing the game in less turns while considering resource consumption, opportunity costs, availability, benefits to the team as a whole, and anything else you can think of that creates a legitimate point.

Process: Decide via PM or in the discussion thread with your opponent on what characters you're going to use in the debate. Aiming for characters that are considered to be in the same tier is recommended. The first person listed in the thread title opens the debate. After each debater posts three times, it's over, and judges will vote on who wins. Judges are anyone known to be a solid debater, such as myself, CATS, Reikken, Mekkah, and others. The winner advances in the bracket, the loser is out of the bracket. The tournament is double elimination, meaning there is a losers bracket. You have to lose twice to be out.

I will be accepting 8 participants at first. If interest is high, I'll accept more.

Participants

1. Lord Gaga
2. kirsche
3. CATS
4. GeneralMasochist
5. TextOnlySword
6. HF Makalov Fanboy
7. *Is Corrupted*
8. Open.
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post May 4 2010, 12:50 AM
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Aw, PoR? Not sure if I'll sign up.
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post May 4 2010, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(CATS @ May 4 2010, 06:50 AM) *
Aw, PoR? Not sure if I'll sign up.


Sorry CATS, it said it was SS in the decision topic.

I'll join, hopefully this one'll finish, unlike the one at SF.
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post May 4 2010, 05:32 PM
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RD got 5 votes, PoR got 3, and SS got 5. I personally don't like SS much, and RD is a pain in the ass to debate, so I went with PoR as a compromise for the RD voters; I'm sure they'd take PoR over SS. SS is likely to be the next game at FEFF.
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post May 4 2010, 05:48 PM
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So basically it was pointless having a vote?
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post May 4 2010, 06:00 PM
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Doesn't look like it's gonna matter much either way. I'll sign up if we can get enough to do a tournament.
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post May 4 2010, 06:27 PM
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I'm actually considering joining this. More as a joke than anything, of course; I couldn't possibly win. Given that my personal views on what makes a unit "better" sort of go along an entirely different line of thinking than you lot.

Seriously, though. You didn't like the results, so you disregarded the vote and chose a third option? That is incredibly uncool.
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post May 4 2010, 09:24 PM
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The winning choices were two games already done here. One isn't fun to debate, and the other is a pain in the ass to debate. I never said I'd be going with the winner (there was a tie, anyways). I just used that poll and thread to gauge the interest of FEP in debating. And it seems...there is very little interest.
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post May 10 2010, 09:46 AM
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Ike isn't allowed but Volke and Sothe are? I don't get it.

Oh well, signing up.
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post May 10 2010, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(GeneralMasochist @ May 10 2010, 10:46 AM) *
Ike isn't allowed but Volke and Sothe are? I don't get it.

Oh well, signing up.


Sothe would only be not terrible in the absence of Volke, which implies a character death happened, which is loltastic in debates like these.

Volke's thieving contributions aren't gdlk like Matthew's. You can break doors with weapons, and that's not a bad idea given how slowly weapon levels grow in this game. There's also nothing like a Silver Card to steal.

Volke and Sothe both existing diminishes the worth of both of them, too.
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post May 10 2010, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(Hinagiku Katsura @ May 10 2010, 11:09 AM) *
QUOTE(GeneralMasochist @ May 10 2010, 10:46 AM) *
Ike isn't allowed but Volke and Sothe are? I don't get it.

Oh well, signing up.


Sothe would only be not terrible in the absence of Volke, which implies a character death happened, which is loltastic in debates like these.

Volke's thieving contributions aren't gdlk like Matthew's. You can break doors with weapons, and that's not a bad idea given how slowly weapon levels grow in this game. There's also nothing like a Silver Card to steal.

Volke and Sothe both existing diminishes the worth of both of them, too.

Fair enough. Though this doesn't exactly answer my question completely as to why Ike isn't allowed. I can understand Titania and Reyson at least. The former being a GODLEIK unit and the latter being hard to really... erm... debate with. Ike is far from broken in the aspects of a unit. Theoretically, you could ignore the whole BK / Ashnard thing (it really doesn't have major importance anyhow as a Dragon can also beat Ashnard with Wrath + Resolve), but if those are the reasons then okay.
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post May 10 2010, 10:25 AM
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Deployment slot/Ashnard/Black Knight arguments.
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post May 10 2010, 10:47 AM
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Deployment slot

This doesn't really matter to most, if not all of the units around him. Most of these units are optimal for deployment anyway, so his free deployment slot is thus a minor positive. Not to mention that this game upchucks a lot of deployment slots with minor exceptions anyway.
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Ashnard

Ike is one of the 3 units to defeat Ashnard, yes, but it is not so haphazardly gamebreaking as you make it sound. If Ike does not have Wrath + Resolve and another unit, say, Ena does, then Ike is not very useful for such a fight.
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Black Knight arguments.

Only a minor impact since the battle isn't required. The only thing it affects is Ena or Nasir.
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post May 10 2010, 11:03 AM
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The deployment slot means he's neutral at worst and since he's good he's a constant positive. Any team without Ike is automatically weaker since his deployment slot can't be used by another unit. It's a broken argument. Then you add in the other goodies, seizing, and whatever else... It's much easier to just ban Ike.
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post May 10 2010, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(Hinagiku Katsura @ May 10 2010, 12:03 PM) *
The deployment slot means he's neutral at worst and since he's good he's a constant positive. Any team without Ike is automatically weaker since his deployment slot can't be used by another unit. It's a broken argument. Then you add in the other goodies, seizing, and whatever else... It's much easier to just ban Ike.

1st round you can pit me against Ike. We shall see how broken he is then.
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