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post Sep 10 2009, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(TMG @ Sep 10 2009, 08:43 PM) *
Children should be taught about sexuality in sex ed class, obviously, but morality should be left completely out of it because that's not the teacher's job, whether they're telling them that it's okay or that it's wrong.

Then we're in total agreement, at least on the issue of homosexuality being taught in school. Any response to the rest of the content of your post would get overly abstract very quickly, I'm afraid, and anyway when it comes to religious issues people tend not to be very persuadable, so I'm going to refrain from getting into that. However, I don't think calling another person's beliefs ignorant necessarily makes you so. Just throwing that out there.
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post Sep 11 2009, 05:43 AM
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QUOTE(baftaboo @ Sep 10 2009, 09:15 PM) *
QUOTE(TMG @ Sep 10 2009, 08:43 PM) *
Children should be taught about sexuality in sex ed class, obviously, but morality should be left completely out of it because that's not the teacher's job, whether they're telling them that it's okay or that it's wrong.

Then we're in total agreement, at least on the issue of homosexuality being taught in school. Any response to the rest of the content of your post would get overly abstract very quickly, I'm afraid, and anyway when it comes to religious issues people tend not to be very persuadable, so I'm going to refrain from getting into that. However, I don't think calling another person's beliefs ignorant necessarily makes you so. Just throwing that out there.


Oh, okay. I misunderstood what you were saying about teaching it in school.

And I agree with your last couple of sentences. Some beliefs are based entirely on ignorance. But because you accused the Church of being into brainwashing earlier, I was afraid you would write my beliefs off as ignorant just because they're religious. I have actually thought about this, and I'm not ignorant to the facts.
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QUOTE(Big Boss @ May 17 2009, 08:16 PM) *
Should homosexuals have the right to be married. Yes, or no?


Yes. It's not our right no tell them what they can and can't do. Also, it's unconstitutional.

Also, is being gay a bad thing? I'll take a guess and say 90% of this board will disagree.


"Right" is a rather arbitrary word.


Marriage is an important celebration in every culture. If you want to be married in a certain way, such as a Christian marriage, you should make the appropriate preparations so you may follow through with your intentions while still being respectful of that culture or religion.

Politically, there is no right or wrong; as long as you are able to prosper as a ruler and nation.

I just noticed, this is a rather old topic. Has no one been debating recently?
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post May 8 2010, 06:15 PM
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My opinion is that the people not being affected shouldn't care if gays mary or not. Being gay is something as un-preventable as inheriting diabetes. I myself am not gay, but I know some gay people and fequently they are pretty nice. One biblical excuse against homosexuality is "A man shall not sleep with another man..." We don't know exactly what they ment by this and man usually describes everyone male or female, so it could just meen not to sleep with more than one person.
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post May 9 2010, 08:10 PM
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My take on it is that the bible says that due to population issues. The human population was small back then. It's like how Jews and Muslims won't eat pork. It's because they were still n00bs at cooking and storage and got sick and died from it. I don't think God himself ever said "don't eat pork and shellfish."
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post May 10 2010, 10:25 AM
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Wow, you know, I wasn't going to get involved in this argument, mostly because it's an emotional argument, which I don't do well at, but there have been some things I've read in this post that are some misconceptions which I would like to correct, but first, I'll give my opinion on the subject and reasons why.

I do not believe that homosexuals, any homosexuals, should be allowed to marry. Marriage has been, historically, between a man and a woman. There is no reason to change that. Now, that being said, What you do on your own is your business. I'm not going to stop two homosexuals from living together and doing whatever they want in their private homes.

Now for the misconceptions. First, marriage is not a right, it is a privilege, which might be the main reason for this debate. A right is guaranteed, something you are born with, you are not guaranteed to get married, nor are you born with it.

There is no such thing as separation of Church and State in the United States Constitution. What is in the Constitution is the Establishment clause, which people tout about as the separation of Church and State, and the Free exercise clause, which some of the people who tout about the Separation crock often ignore. Believe it or not, the Establishment clause was designed to keep government out of religion, not to keep religion out of government.

Third, the reason Jews don't eat certain foods, at least in my opinion, is because of the story of Noah, when God told Noah he could only eat certain animals that were on the ark. (The animals on the ark weren't just taken 2 by 2. There were 2 of some and 7 of others. It has to do with clean and unclean animals, but I can't remember which was which.)
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post May 10 2010, 03:52 PM
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Actually in Leviticus 11:3 it says: "You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and chews the cud." And Leviticus 11:9 says: "Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fish and scales."
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post May 10 2010, 08:57 PM
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Ah, Ok, thanks for the correction, qwerty
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QUOTE(White Fox @ May 10 2010, 10:25 AM) *
Wow, you know, I wasn't going to get involved in this argument, mostly because it's an emotional argument, which I don't do well at, but there have been some things I've read in this post that are some misconceptions which I would like to correct, but first, I'll give my opinion on the subject and reasons why.

I do not believe that homosexuals, any homosexuals, should be allowed to marry. Marriage has been, historically, between a man and a woman. There is no reason to change that. Now, that being said, What you do on your own is your business. I'm not going to stop two homosexuals from living together and doing whatever they want in their private homes.

Now for the misconceptions. First, marriage is not a right, it is a privilege, which might be the main reason for this debate. A right is guaranteed, something you are born with, you are not guaranteed to get married, nor are you born with it.

There is no such thing as separation of Church and State in the United States Constitution. What is in the Constitution is the Establishment clause, which people tout about as the separation of Church and State, and the Free exercise clause, which some of the people who tout about the Separation crock often ignore. Believe it or not, the Establishment clause was designed to keep government out of religion, not to keep religion out of government.

Third, the reason Jews don't eat certain foods, at least in my opinion, is because of the story of Noah, when God told Noah he could only eat certain animals that were on the ark. (The animals on the ark weren't just taken 2 by 2. There were 2 of some and 7 of others. It has to do with clean and unclean animals, but I can't remember which was which.)

This whole post is a giant facepalm, congrats.
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post May 10 2010, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(qwertyuiop0112358 @ May 10 2010, 04:52 PM) *
Actually in Leviticus 11:3 it says: "You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and chews the cud." And Leviticus 11:9 says: "Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fish and scales."


That's nice, but it makes absolutely no sense.


QUOTE(Ninja Monkey @ May 10 2010, 10:00 PM) *
This whole post is a giant facepalm, congrats.


And yours wasn't very productive at all.
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post May 10 2010, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE(Hinagiku Katsura @ May 10 2010, 09:22 PM) *
QUOTE(Ninja Monkey @ May 10 2010, 10:00 PM) *
This whole post is a giant facepalm, congrats.


And yours wasn't very productive at all.

Oh noes, I wasn't productive! However will I survive?
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post May 10 2010, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(Ninja Monkey @ May 10 2010, 09:00 PM) *
QUOTE(White Fox @ May 10 2010, 10:25 AM) *
Wow, you know, I wasn't going to get involved in this argument, mostly because it's an emotional argument, which I don't do well at, but there have been some things I've read in this post that are some misconceptions which I would like to correct, but first, I'll give my opinion on the subject and reasons why.

I do not believe that homosexuals, any homosexuals, should be allowed to marry. Marriage has been, historically, between a man and a woman. There is no reason to change that. Now, that being said, What you do on your own is your business. I'm not going to stop two homosexuals from living together and doing whatever they want in their private homes.

Now for the misconceptions. First, marriage is not a right, it is a privilege, which might be the main reason for this debate. A right is guaranteed, something you are born with, you are not guaranteed to get married, nor are you born with it.

There is no such thing as separation of Church and State in the United States Constitution. What is in the Constitution is the Establishment clause, which people tout about as the separation of Church and State, and the Free exercise clause, which some of the people who tout about the Separation crock often ignore. Believe it or not, the Establishment clause was designed to keep government out of religion, not to keep religion out of government.

Third, the reason Jews don't eat certain foods, at least in my opinion, is because of the story of Noah, when God told Noah he could only eat certain animals that were on the ark. (The animals on the ark weren't just taken 2 by 2. There were 2 of some and 7 of others. It has to do with clean and unclean animals, but I can't remember which was which.)

This whole post is a giant facepalm, congrats.

Fucking this^^^ "Its always been this way, therefore, we have no reason to change!!!" If we applied that logic to anything that has to do with civil rights, we'd still have slaves and women would still be in the kitchen. White, landowning men would still be the sole voters. Clearly, we see how well that worked out. Marriage is a privilege that everyone (everyone being literally everyone, gays included) is entitled to, so long as the feelings felt are true. There is really no reason to think otherwise.
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post May 10 2010, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE(Hinagiku Katsura @ May 10 2010, 10:13 PM) *
Message to everyone:

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3. Trolling/Spamming - No one liners here guys. If you're going to post, give some time and put thought into it. Don't insult someone's stance without backing it up, and certainly don't start something when you haven't been participating in the argument until that post.


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Because stuff like this:

QUOTE(CAR = BIDOOF @ May 18 2009, 03:00 PM) *
Absolutely not. Homosexuality is disgusting, and allowing them to marry would only encourage this filthy act. It's against the Bible, and really, it's just against human nature. There's a reason male and female genitalia are as they are, you know!

Homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, or, I'd go as far as saying they shouldn't be allowed to live. It should be a capital crime.

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is totally better than what I post, amirite? Would you rather I write out a paragraph that would express all the reasons why it's a facepalm, which would inevitably lead to him getting pissed off since he clearly already said he can't handle emotional issues?
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The clear best option was to not post then. Someone's actions from a year ago have no relevance to your actions.

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