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post Feb 23 2011, 06:27 AM
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Just post your 20/0 or 20/20 builds here for rating.

This thread is made for analysis on builds, to compare one to another. This will help people who are having trouble making a decision on what they want out of their build. DO NOT POST TEAMS. If you're posting a team, post it in this thread.

That being said, I'll provide the first build.



Cleric -> Bishop [Bulky]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/20%]: 60.00
POW [2/7.5%]: 30.00
SKL [2/20%]: 27.00
SPD [0/0%]: 19.00
DEF [2/20%]: 25.00
RES [0/2.5%]: 26.00
LCK [0/0%]: 16.00
Aurora/Counter(/Wrath)


I want to have AT LEAST 27 Pow. Nothing lower. What I'm trying to decide is to whether to max Pow out or invest more into Res for more durability (since that's what this build is... built for)

It's either that ^ , or this:

Cleric -> Bishop [Bulky]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/20%]: 60.00
POW [2/0%]: 27.00
SKL [2/20%]: 27.00
SPD [0/0%]: 19.00
DEF [2/20%]: 25.00
RES [0/10%]: 29.00
LCK [0/0%]: 16.00
Aurora/Counter(/Wrath)

Any suggestions?
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post Feb 23 2011, 09:04 AM
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Stat Comparisons! oh joy!

First build can be taken down with 2 magic pursuits... but still, both builds can be taken down by two hits because of Def.

Against pursuit crits (+15 crit classes and S-rank bonus)...
[Sharp Great (Sword/Lance&Bow/Axe)]
ATK: 43/ 44/ 45
Crit%: 48% /45% /42%

Damage (0 crits): 26/ 28/ 30
Damage (1 crit): 42/ 45/ 48
Damage (2 crits): 58/ 62/ 66

Mostly pointing at pursuit with one crit since it makes second build's higher Res and lower POW pointless, less offensive and defensive.
But chance of double crit is actually high.

Magic pursuit crits (5/5/5 classes...)
[Sharp Holy/ Bolganone/ Fenrir]

First Build
ATK: 43/ 45/ 44
Crit%: 38%/ 35%/ 32%

Here, chances of double crits isn't as reliable as physical weapons...

Damage (0 crits): 24/ 28/ 26
Damage (1 crit): 39/ 45/ 42
Damage (2 crits): 54/ 62/ 58

Second Build
ATK: 43/ 45/ 44
Crit%: 38%/ 35%/ 32%

Damage (0 crits): 20/ 24/ 22
Damage (1 crit): 32/ 39/ 35
Damage (2 crits): 44/ 54/ 48

-Yeah, second build can't be OHKOed by magic double crits but 3/4 sharp Great physical wep (Lance, Bow and Axe) double crit kill it... which means that 3/7 OHKOes, while first build gets OHKOhammer by 4/7.

I'll say first build wins.
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post Feb 23 2011, 11:29 AM
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Wyv. Rider -> Wyv. Knight [Scholar]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/5%]: 60.00
POW [1/10%]: 30.00
SKL [1/20%]: 30.00
SPD [0/0%]: 18.00
DEF [2/15%]: 30.00
RES [2/20%]: 23.00
LCK [0/0%]: 10.00

Or...

Wyv. Rider -> Wyv. Knight [Defencive]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/5%]: 60.00
POW [1/20%]: 30.00
SKL [1/0%]: 18.00
SPD [0/20%]: 30.00
DEF [2/5%]: 30.00
RES [2/20%]: 23.00
LCK [0/0%]: 10.00

Or...

Wyv. Rider -> Wyv. Knight [Scholar]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/5%]: 60.00
POW [1/10%]: 30.00
SKL [1/5%]: 24.00
SPD [0/15%]: 24.00
DEF [2/15%]: 30.00
RES [2/20%]: 23.00
LCK [0/0%]: 10.00

???
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post Feb 23 2011, 12:01 PM
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That's kinda bad one... since all builds are totally different.
Higher Hit% and Wrath vs Higher Avo vs Skill Avoider... so it kinda depends on what you want.

But, high skill one is gets killed by pursuit crits that contains 1 crit (well, that depends pretty much on weapon... Killer Bow kills only if it with 2 crits).

Pursuiter... Pretty hard to kill without crits (even Sharp Great Axe crit + normal hit from Heavy Fenrir isn't enough to kill that (IMG:style_emoticons/blue/grin.gif) ). (I know, I'm Sherlock)
[two pegmage pursuits w/ Heavy Fenrir is enough to take it down but... will they hit? If they really have a lot of SKL and LCK (max'd SKL&LCK +S-rank bonus = 80%)... it actually requires 2 lorded peg mages]

Nihil... blah, no need to say stuff.

Survivability wise, Nihil or Pursuit build.
But if you want more reliable hit% and critz, then Wrath build (Nihil build haves -9 hit% which isn't so bad but no wrath >: (well, sometimes that 9 hit% would be damn awesome (IMG:style_emoticons/blue/dry.gif) )).
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post Feb 23 2011, 02:36 PM
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First one uses Counter/Aurora since a +7 Res buff gives a nice 30/30 as opposed to 28/34 or something like that... The Skl is just to give it a better hit rate since it feels that WTA2 doesn't help much...

Second removes its major weakness- 30 Pow Heavy magic pursuits. Now nothing can pursuit it except 25 Pow Heavy Corruptions (lol). Although now its hit rate is awful. It can use Pursuit as an optional skill instead of Counter/Aurora though. It has an okay 70 Avd. :/ But Sharps still have good hit rate.

Third is a Nihil tank. It's main skill will be Nihil and Counter/Aurora will be secondary. Wrath and Pursuit from non-peg mages won't work, and he's super tanky to back it up. But hit rate is meh, avd is meh, and it can't use Counter/Aurora without giving up Nihil.

I currently have the first one and it works, just seeing if there's better...

EDIT: I guess I'll try out the Pursuit one for a while... Thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/blue/happy.gif)
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post Feb 23 2011, 03:41 PM
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Oh... counter and aurora... hmm.. shame that hey may get only 26SKL/SPD with 60HP, 30POW/DEF and 23RES... even it could avoid dangerous 2wt stuff when holding 0wt wep.
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post Feb 25 2011, 09:01 PM
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HELP (IMG:style_emoticons/blue/noes.gif)

Nomad -> Barbarian [Brute]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/2.5%]: 50.00
POW [2/12.5%]: 30.00
SKL [1/10%]: 26.00
SPD [1/10%]: 25.00
DEF [2/5%]: 23.00
RES [0/0%]: 12.00
LCK [0/0%]: 14.00
Nihil/Counter

I just don't know what to do with this guy >:(, he can't be like her...


Raider -> Barbarian [Brute]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/0%]: 52.00
POW [2/10%]: 30.00
SKL [2/7.5%]: 27.00
SPD [2/15%]: 26.00
DEF [0/7.5%]: 27.00
RES [0/0%]: 7.00
LCK [0/0%]: 12.00
Pursuit/Counter

This is making me think that Nomad -> Anything sux and I'm starting to not want any of them...

This is the closest I could get...
Nomad -> Barbarian [Brute]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/2.5%]: 50.00
POW [2/5%]: 27.00
SKL [1/10%]: 26.00
SPD [1/12.5%]: 26.00
DEF [2/10%]: 25.00
RES [0/0%]: 12.00
LCK [0/0%]: 14.00
Nihil/Counter

any suggestions?
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post Feb 25 2011, 10:44 PM
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@Pura: It would be 24/24... I'll keep it the same for now...

@Speedy:
Nomad -> Barbarian [Bulky]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/10%]: 60.00
POW [1/10%]: 28.00
SKL [0/0%]: 17.00
SPD [2/15%]: 28.00
DEF [0/0%]: 19.00
RES [1/5%]: 19.00
LCK [0/0%]: 14.00
Nihil/Pursuit

Nomads are good for Spd over Skl (for some reason they have low Skl >_>), so they make excellent Speedy Dual Tanks...
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post Feb 27 2011, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(GreenWorld @ Feb 25 2011, 09:44 PM) *
@Pura: It would be 24/24... I'll keep it the same for now...

@Speedy:
Nomad -> Barbarian [Bulky]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/10%]: 60.00
POW [1/10%]: 28.00
SKL [0/0%]: 17.00
SPD [2/15%]: 28.00
DEF [0/0%]: 19.00
RES [1/5%]: 19.00
LCK [0/0%]: 14.00
Nihil/Pursuit

Nomads are good for Spd over Skl (for some reason they have low Skl >_>), so they make excellent Speedy Dual Tanks...


Not sure I like the fact that it's vulnerable to crits (IMG:style_emoticons/blue/confused.gif)
I'll play around with that type of build, thx Krypto (IMG:style_emoticons/blue/yourmove.gif)
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post Mar 2 2011, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(GreenWorld @ Feb 25 2011, 10:44 PM) *
@Pura: It would be 24/24... I'll keep it the same for now...

@Speedy:
Nomad -> Barbarian [Bulky]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/10%]: 60.00
POW [1/10%]: 28.00
SKL [0/0%]: 17.00
SPD [2/15%]: 28.00
DEF [0/0%]: 19.00
RES [1/5%]: 19.00
LCK [0/0%]: 14.00
Nihil/Pursuit

Nomads are good for Spd over Skl (for some reason they have low Skl >_>), so they make excellent Speedy Dual Tanks...

Until they get 2 Insight!Halberds to the face.
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post Mar 2 2011, 11:11 PM
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It can stay out of range of horseslayers since it mains bows and is mounted...
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post Mar 2 2011, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE(GreenWorld @ Mar 2 2011, 11:11 PM) *
It can stay out of range of horseslayers since it mains bows and is mounted...

Doesn't stop other mounts from doing it though.
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post Mar 3 2011, 10:37 AM
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I have 3 builds for my Fighter Lord circulating in my mind right now, but I'm not sure which one I should go with... he is currently level 20 and waiting for the rest of his crew to level up so they can promote together. The main thing I want him to do is lead the charge into the enemy team and take tonnes of punishment before going down whilst dishing out a lot of damage for someone else to mop up.

His current build is this:

Fighter -> Berserker [Scholar]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/10%]: 60.00
POW [2/10%]: 30.00
SKL [2/12.5%]: 30.00
SPD [0/0%]: 17.00
DEF [2/17.5%]: 24.00
RES [2/20%]: 27.00
LCK [0/0%]: 13.00

Wrath / (Nihil or Aurora)

Basically a crit-master who can take a lot of punishment and dish out tonnes of damage (that low SPD will present problems however, and he gets countered without Nihil).


And here's a Warrior build for him:

Fighter -> Warrior [Bulky]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/0%]: 52.00
POW [0/12.5%]: 30.00
SKL [2/15%]: 26.00
SPD [2/17.5%]: 26.00
DEF [2/12.5%]: 27.00
RES [2/12.5%]: 24.00
LCK [0/0%]: 12.00

Nihil / Counter

With Nihil and 2-wt weapons the only skill that activates on him is Insight (excluding Counter and Pursuit from armor units and peg mages respectively); the plan is to equip a Reflex Bow and let him lead the charge into the other team, but high avoid units and dodgy pursuit peg mages will tear him apart; the good news is that - excluding crits - he can't be 2HKO by anything.


And finally, a Reaver build.

Fighter -> Reaver [Glass Cannon]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/2.5%]: 50.00
POW [0/12.5%]: 30.00
SKL [2/5%]: 26.00
SPD [2/17.5%]: 30.00
DEF [2/20%]: 25.00
RES [2/12.5%]: 20.00
LCK [0/0%]: 15.00

Nihil / Pursuit

Throws on Nihil when peg mages are in the skies, but he gets 2HKO by mages, high DEF mages such as Dark Knights and Adepts will tear him apart.


I tried to throw in some luck but he never came out looking quite like what I wanted, so I neglected luck quite a bit. So which build should I go for? Should I go for any of them, or should I try something else?
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post Mar 3 2011, 12:17 PM
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Actually 2 Peg mage pursuits with Heavy Fenrir will 2HKO Warrior... but that's not gonna happen... most likely.
Kinda depends on what you want... it's hard to tell is decent Berserker build better than decent Reaver build... especially when it is lorded.

But if you want to make a lot of damage when you attack.. then Berserker or Reaver, biggest difference in Warrior build is survivabilty.

2 things that bother in Reaver Build...
-Glassy nature isn't good there ya know? Sure it can't have a max SPD with -SPD build but then why not to use -POW, +SPD nature since it can max POW with that kind of nature...
-Why put stuff into RES if it's not going to use Aurora.. I mean.. while you got +1 RES, you could've get +2 HP...

Fighter -> Reaver [Defencive] (-POW, -SKL, +SPD, +DEF, +RES, -LCK)
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/5%]: 60.00
POW [1/20%]: 30.00
SKL [2/15%]: 26.00
SPD [2/17.5%]: 30.00
DEF [1/12.5%]: 25.00
RES [0/0%]: 17.00
LCK [/0%]: 13.00

But if you want more luck... Try Brave nature? (-POW, -SKL, +SPD, +DEF, -RES, +LCK)

Fighter -> Reaver [Brave]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/0%]: 52.00
POW [1/20%]: 30.00
SKL [2/12.5%]: 25.00
SPD [2/17.5%]: 30.00
DEF [1/12.5%]: 25.00
RES [0/0%]: 13.00
LCK [2/7.5%]: 22.00

With nihil, it negates 28 LCK insights (if both units are wielding weapons with same Wt), also Avo is boosted to 87 (+Possible bonus from fortune, which allows it to have up to 94 Avo without Adrenaline mode...).

Want +2/4 HP or +1/2 LCK?
Well, it can still avoid peg mage pursuits with 29SPD (with nihil, of course) and there's also SKL and DEF where you could snatch one point or 2.5%.
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post Mar 4 2011, 08:44 AM
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You should pick a class, Jart, then work on your builds.

You want high SKL on a berserker, whereas warrior gets WTA2, and doesn't need it as much.
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