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post Mar 9 2011, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE(Mystia Lorelei @ Mar 9 2011, 01:45 PM) *
QUOTE(BlackWorld @ Mar 9 2011, 11:05 AM) *
Then it's not going to hit anything. With the luck I could use Insight if I needed an attack to hit.

It can't die that way though either... something interesting to think about there.


You asked for an evasive dual tank, not an evasive dual tank with 30 pow and great accuracy. If you're really determined to find flaws with all the characters posted, might I recommend you use this one?

I remember that...

Well come to think of it, those tanky druids I've seen didnt have any luck investment either... You got it on the spot then.
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post Mar 9 2011, 10:18 PM
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Thinking of a bishop Lord Build......

Should I go with Shimmer?

Cleric -> Bishop [Rogue]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/20%]: 60.00
POW [0/0%]: 21.00
SKL [2/15%]: 29.00
SPD [2/5%]: 27.00
DEF [2/20%]: 25.00
RES [0/10%]: 25.00
LCK [0/%]: 16.00

Counter/Aurora/Wrath/Pursuit

Pro's Shimmer's everything in Rage
Con's Not much of a first strike character.

Dodgy?

Cleric -> Bishop [Offencive]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/20%]: 60.00
POW [2/7.5%]: 30.00
SKL [2/7.5%]: 26.00
SPD [2/20%]: 29.00
DEF [0/0%]: 11.00
RES [0/0%]: 21.00
LCK [0/15%]: 26.00

Purusit/Insight

This one's eh.

Nihil?

Cleric -> Bishop [Brute]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/20%]: 60.00
POW [2/7.5%]: 30.00
SKL [0/7.5%]: 24.00
SPD [2/7.5%]: 24.00
DEF [1/20%]: 24.00
RES [1/7.5%]: 25.00
LCK [0/0%]: 16.00

Nihil/Impale???

Cleric to Bishop makes super awesome Nihil Build
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post Mar 9 2011, 11:15 PM
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You should really decide what you want to do on your own, and we help you make it effective.

Five people can get in a fight about which nihil bishop is the best, forget a room full of people squabbling about whether to use nihil or wrath.

That said, these are all nonlord bishops I have.

Suwako Moriya
Cleric -> Bishop [Brute]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [1/10%]: 50.00
POW [1/10%]: 30.00
SKL [0/10%]: 25.00
SPD [2/10%]: 25.00
DEF [2/0%]: 17.00
RES [0/0%]: 21.00
LCK [0/0%]: 16.00

Alice Margatroid
Monk -> Bishop [Bulky]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [1/10%]: 50.00
POW [2/15%]: 30.00
SKL [1/10%]: 23.00
SPD [1/5%]: 24.00
DEF [1/0%]: 16.00
RES [0/0%]: 21.00
LCK [0/0%]: 18.00

Mami Futami
Cleric -> Bishop [Brute]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/10%]: 52.00
POW [1/10%]: 30.00
SKL [1/0%]: 22.00
SPD [0/10%]: 23.00
DEF [2/10%]: 21.00
RES [0/0%]: 21.00
LCK [0/0%]: 16.00

Nihil dual tank types

Shinki
Monk -> Bishop [Gladiator]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/0%]: 40.00
POW [2/15%]: 30.00
SKL [0/0%]: 18.00
SPD [2/10%]: 27.00
DEF [0/0%]: 15.00
RES [0/0%]: 17.00
LCK [2/15%]: 30.00

Shikieiki Yamaxanadu
Monk -> Bishop [Offencive]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/7.5%]: 50.00
POW [2/10%]: 28.00
SKL [0/10%]: 26.00
SPD [2/12.5%]: 28.00
DEF [0/0%]: 11.00
RES [0/0%]: 17.00
LCK [0/0%]: 22.00

Letty Whiterock
Monk -> Bishop [Balanced]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/0%]: 44.00
POW [2/20%]: 30.00
SKL [0/10%]: 24.00
SPD [2/10%]: 29.00
DEF [0/0%]: 13.00
RES [0/0%]: 19.00
LCK [0/0%]: 20.00

Pursuity types
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post Mar 10 2011, 02:11 AM
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Here's a Shimmer Troll Lord which is not a Bishop-- it is a lolar knight instead so yo can stick it right out in the open and set up hit and runs.

Shimmer Troll Lord:
Heaven Kn. -> Dawn Kn. [Defencive]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/20%]: 60.00
POW [0/0%]: 16.00
SKL [0/0%]: 14.00
SPD [0/10%]: 35.00
DEF [2/20%]: 21.00
RES [2/2.5%]: 28.00
LCK [2/17.5%]: 29.00
Insight/Pursuit/Counter/Aurora

If your goal is to shimmer, you don't need anything else. Buff with Shield and watch the magic...

http://forums.feplanet.net/index.php?showt...mp;#entry771015

Dodgier than the one you posted and still avoids Wrath:
Monk -> Bishop [Offencive]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/20%]: 60.00
POW [2/15%]: 30.00
SKL [1/10%]: 27.00
SPD [2/17.5%]: 30.00
DEF [0/0%]: 11.00
RES [0/0%]: 17.00
LCK [1/7.5%]: 26.00
Pursuit/Insight/Wrath

One that avoids Pursuit/Insight and still is dodgy:
Monk -> Bishop [Offencive]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/20%]: 60.00
POW [2/15%]: 30.00
SKL [2/10%]: 28.00
SPD [2/10%]: 27.00
DEF [0/0%]: 11.00
RES [0/0%]: 17.00
LCK [0/15%]: 28.00
Nihil/InsightPursuit/Wrath

For just generic Nihil Mint's are probably better than what I come up with...
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post Apr 6 2011, 08:39 AM
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Here's a Build.

Careful Knight, 2 points in HP, 20% Added growth Rate in HP, 2 points in Speed, 20% additional Growth Rate in Speed, 2 points in Resistance. Speedy armor.
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post Apr 6 2011, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(Raltien @ Apr 6 2011, 09:39 AM) *
Here's a Build.

Careful Knight, 2 points in HP, 20% Added growth Rate in HP, 2 points in Speed, 20% additional Growth Rate in Speed, 2 points in Resistance. Speedy armor.

Then your knight cant hit or damage anything because you overcapped HP, can't double anything because of lol25 speed, and waste 2 points on res, which wont help the knight not get killed against lolimages. So that unit is garbage.


I've been thinking of using an anti-crit lord. But I'm at a crossroads.


Dark Kn. -> Death Kn. [Serene]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/20%]: 60.00
POW [1/15%]: 30.00
SKL [0/0%]: 15.00
SPD [2/5%]: 27.00
DEF [0/0%]: 22.00
RES [2/12.5%]: 21.00
LCK [1/17.5%]: 26.00
Insight/Nihil/Pursuit

Survives a wrathed Gambler Fenrir (if it hits), wrathed Holy Gambler (which he needs to stay away from), Gambler Bolganone has lolhit. If he can survive those, he can survive sharps just fine.

Pretty much nullifies pursuit crits, and can only be pursuited by 1wt weapons if he's holding a 2wt weapon. (Sniper with Killer Bow on pursuit has 19% crit)

Pursuit in case a unit with low speed and res comes on the field, insights most units, and Nihil nullifies counter/aurora from most typical dualtanks. Thinking about taking 1 luck and adding it to res for further aurora avoiding.


I was also, on the other side of the coin, thinking about this build.

Dark Kn. -> Death Kn. [Seer]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/20%]: 60.00
POW [2/2.5%]: 30.00
SKL [0/0%]: 15.00
SPD [0/0%]: 19.00
DEF [0/20%]: 30.00
RES [2/15%]: 22.00
LCK [2/12.5%]: 25.00
Insight/Counter/Aurora


Still nullifies pursuit crits, still survives wrath from all 3 magic types. And he'll be an especially effective Dual if a ward staff is applied on him.

Insight gives him a chance to actually hit. Counter is his 2nd skill choice, and if he has a ward staff applied, he can aurora for a bit.


Both builds are weak to dodgetanks since they have as much, if not more than, luck as he has. But he's very hard to critical as his class suggests, and rightfully so.

This one is up in the air.
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post May 1 2011, 11:08 PM
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Trying to build a good Falco Knight for this squad :/

Peg. Knight -> Falcoknight [Lightweight]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/0%]: 46.00
POW [2/20%]: 28.00
SKL [0/0%]: 22.00
SPD [2/10%]: 30.00
DEF [0/0%]: 13.00
RES [0/0%]: 16.00
LCK [2/10%]: 25.00
Pursuit/Insight

Dodgy with WTA?

Peg. Knight -> Falcoknight [Glass Cannon] Currently Equipped
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/5%]: 46.00
POW [2/15%]: 30.00
SKL [2/12.5%]: 29.00
SPD [2/7.5%]: 29.00
DEF [0/0%]: 13.00
RES [0/0%]: 16.00
LCK [0/0%]: 17.00
Pursuit/Wrath

Probably most common non-hawk-peg build

Peg. Knight -> Falcoknight [Scholar]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/%]: 46.00
POW [2/15%]: 30.00
SKL [2/10%]: 28.00
SPD [0/%]: 20.00
DEF [0/0%]: 13.00
RES [2/15%]: 28.00
LCK [/%]: 15.00
Aurora/Impale

Mageslayer?

Any ideas?
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post May 2 2011, 12:51 AM
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Peg. Knight -> Falcoknight [Bulky]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [1/15%]: 60.00
POW [2/10%]: 28.00
SKL [0/0%]: 18.00
SPD [2/15%]: 28.00
DEF [1/0%]: 18.00
RES [0/0%]: 20.00
LCK [0/0%]: 15.00
Nihil/Pursuit

Pretty sucky but eh...

Peg. Knight -> Falcoknight [Rogue]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [1/15%]: 60.00
POW [2/20%]: 28.00
SKL [2/0%]: 24.00
SPD [0/0%]: 24.00
DEF [1/0%]: 18.00
RES [0/5%]: 18.00
LCK [0/0%]: 15.00
Nihil...

I would suggest changing the class since Falcos fail.

Peg. Knight -> Seraphknight [Offencive]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/0%]: 46.00
POW [2/15%]: 29.00
SKL [2/10%]: 28.00
SPD [0/0%]: 22.00
DEF [0/0%]: 11.00
RES [0/0%]: 16.00
LCK [2/15%]: 28.00
Insight/Wrath

Kind of niche Insight Heavy Great Bow from 10 spaces away.

Peg. Knight -> Hawk Kn. [Glass Cannon]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/0%]: 42.00
POW [2/15%]: 29.00
SKL [0/0%]: 22.00
SPD [2/5%]: 29.00
DEF [0/0%]: 11.00
RES [0/0%]: 15.00
LCK [2/20%]: 30.00
Insight/Pursuit

Peg. Knight -> Hawk Kn. [Brave]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/0%]: 46.00
POW [2/20%]: 27.00
SKL [0/0%]: 18.00
SPD [2/5%]: 29.00
DEF [0/0%]: 15.00
RES [0/0%]: 15.00
LCK [2/15%]: 30.00

Maybe Dodgy builds?
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post May 2 2011, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(GreenWorld @ May 2 2011, 12:51 AM) *
Peg. Knight -> Falcoknight [Bulky]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [1/15%]: 60.00
POW [2/10%]: 28.00
SKL [0/0%]: 18.00
SPD [2/15%]: 28.00
DEF [1/0%]: 18.00
RES [0/0%]: 20.00
LCK [0/0%]: 15.00

Pretty sucky but eh...


Had a build like this before...didnt workout well... (IMG:style_emoticons/blue/oh.gif)
thx though
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post May 6 2011, 07:43 PM
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Question; are +15 avoid units useful in 2RN?

And here is a build I want to do, but I'm not sure if I can do better. I know "all lord units are good", but I want to get the most bang for my buck.

Wyv. Rider -> Dracomaster [Lightweight] [Lord]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [/10%]: 60.00
POW [2/15%]: 29.00 Uses axes, so I figured 29 POW wont be a problem.
SKL [2/15%]: 29.00
SPD [2/15%]: 30.00
DEF [/%]: 21.00
RES [/10%]: 12.00
LCK [2/5%]: 20.00

If I'm doing this right, the avoid should equal to 95. It has enough HP and RES to not be 2HKO by C level and below magic. And B level magic and higher has roughly 50% and lower. That is, if I did all my calculations right.

Any suggestions or build's you guys can compare mine to?
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post May 7 2011, 07:47 AM
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You should always max pow unless there's a really good reason to not do so.
And "Uses axes, so I figured 29 POW wont be a problem." is not one of the good reasons.
You should be more like "30 pow with axes, FUCK YEAH!"

Here's my Dracolord, from the squad Silver Draco Trio
Wyv. Fighter -> Dracolord [Brave]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [0/7.5%]: 60.00
POW [2/17.5%]: 30.00
SKL [0/0%]: 17.00
SPD [2/12.5%]: 30.00
DEF [2/2.5%]: 27.00
RES [0/10%]: 10.00
LCK [2/20%]: 27.00
Insight/Pursuit.

I can't really remember why I made him like this... He can't be 2 rounded by a heavy great bow, which is pretty neat and he have great avoid so hitting with it would also be a problem for most units I guess.

I know I have a really good reason for his 10% investment in ress but I'm to hangover-ish to bother checking weapon ranks calculations... Sorry (IMG:style_emoticons/blue/sweat.gif)

I hope my rubbish helped a bit...

Edit.
Oh yeah I almost forgot.
QUOTE(Normandy)
Question; are +15 avoid units useful in 2RN?

Yes, they are. I've played a lot of 2RN and I find them very useful.
However when you look on the facts it basically says that tank-ish units have a slightly better advantage in 2rn while dodgy units have a slightly higher advantage in normal.
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post May 7 2011, 08:42 AM
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You should always max pow unless there's a really good reason to not do so.
And "Uses axes, so I figured 29 POW wont be a problem." is not one of the good reasons.
You should be more like "30 pow with axes, FUCK YEAH!"

Indeed... sometimes I might need that 1 POW <_ <

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If I'm doing this right, the avoid should equal to 95. It has enough HP and RES to not be 2HKO by C level and below magic. And B level magic and higher has roughly 50% and lower. That is, if I did all my calculations right.

Insight Druidz...

I guess I would go something liek this:
Wyv. Rider -> Dracomaster [Lightweight]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/5%]: 60.00
POW [2/17.5%]: 30.00
SKL [2/7.5%]: 26.00
SPD [0/20%]: 30.00
DEF [0/0%]: 21.00
RES [0/0%]: 8.00
LCK [2/20%]: 26.00

Avoids 1wt Wraths/Insights with 0wt wep.

or if I want it to survive from 2 C-ranks and still dodgy (build below has 101 avoid)...

Wyv. Rider -> Dracomaster [Lightweight]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/5%]: 60.00
POW [2/7.5%]: 26.00
SKL [2/7.5%]: 26.00
SPD [0/20%]: 30.00
DEF [0/0%]: 21.00
RES [0/10%]: 12.00
LCK [2/20%]: 26.00

(IMG:style_emoticons/blue/awesome.gif)
Most reliable chance to OHKO: Marksman with 30SKL, 29/30LCK and Sharp Mithril Bow: 70/71hit, 25 crit
or... Sniper with same stats and wep: 65/66 hit, 30 crit.
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Make sure to have your Pow above 27 unless it's a peg mage or troll unit.
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post May 9 2011, 07:24 AM
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So... my Crusader is a troll unit?
Templar -> Crusader [Scholar]
Stats at level 20/20
HP [2/7.5%]: 50.00
POW [2/7.5%]: 27.00 (see, it's 27, not above 27)
SKL [0/2.5%]: 24.00
SPD [2/5%]: 23.00
DEF [0/0%]: 21.00
RES [0/17.5%]: 23.00
LCK [0/0%]: 14.00


And your zerker's a troll unit, too? (or... I think it was zerker whose 20/20 POW was 26...)
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post May 9 2011, 04:20 PM
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